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The GOP Can Add 10 Million Jobs and $15 Trillion to US Economy without Spending a Dime

Seeded on Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:50 PM EST
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politics, obama, energy, petroleum, keystone-xl-pipeline
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There are many contrasts that the GOP can use to go after Obama on the economy.

None present such a black and white contrast as the dispute about the black, tar-sands crude that Canada would like to ship through the US to refineries on the Gulf via the Keystone XL pipeline. The dispute isn't about the environment, is about creating 10 million U.S. jobs.

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Obama sided with whack-job environmentalists who raised bogus fears that oil spills could pollute the aquifer that lies underneath its path.

Ok, he only apparently sided with them.

He actually did what Obama likes to do best when pandering to… whomever. He bravely told the rest of us that for right now he wouldn’t approve the pipeline, but he might change his mind. Oh, and if we try to rush him to make a decision, we’ll all be very, very sorry.

So Canada’s prime minister has decided to look for a new partner for their oil.

“Harper’s second official trip to the Middle Kingdom comes at an important juncture in Canada-China relations,” writes Canada’s National Post “and will help dictate the Conservative government’s economic and foreign policy with the Asian superpower for years to come. The prime minister is courting China as a customer for Canadian natural resources — insisting it’s in Canada’s national interest to send oil and gas to Asia — and looking to sew stronger economic ties with the world’s fastest-growing economy.

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:52 PM EST
Susan-649485

So allowing a foreign government to build a pipeline across the United States to sell oil on the global market is going to add 10,000,000 new jobs and $15,000,000,000 to the United States?

Seriously?

Seriously?

LOLOLOLOL

Is this an SNL skit?

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:33 PM EST
Susan-649485

So a link from this article says:

Oil industry sources said Keystone XL would create 20,000 jobs, though other studies suggested the real figure was about a third of that.

Maybe the author of the article should work on comprehension skills.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:38 PM EST
Susan-649485

Oops - I meant to mock the author for saying that the pipeline would give $15,000,000,000,000 dollars to the US.

I was three zeros short.

  • 4 votes
#2.2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:44 PM EST
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bestquest

1) does Canada need the income? Last time I checked, they are in good shape compared to Europe or USA.

2) America should pipe this oil to Chicago. We will use most for farm tractors, class VIII semi trucks, locomotive diesels (the most anywhere) and to power the big SUV's at 85 mph or just sitting in gridlock. The rest will be sent to Detroit - Toronto - Montreal and Toledo - Cleveland - Pittsburg. A 5 to 7 billion dollar new refinery to handle this quality oil if half completed here.

3) There is no rush. China has adequate suppliers right now and lined up for years to come.

4) Jobs = not. If seamless pipe is made in Lorain, looks like 80,000 man hours plus taconite production and coal. Installation and welding, x-ray, pumps, valves, control systems manufacture - training - installation do not add up to very many jobs now or in the future. I am conveniently not counting USA jobs for the mining trucks in the tar sand pits, etc. because Japan or China may be the suppliers instead of us.

5) environment risk = yes. Just review the corrosion in Alsaka pipelines, conveniently not discovered by el-cheapo BP until they failed.

6) International trade is a yes. We need sales men and women. We need engineers to design products and mfg processes and actually make products that people all over the world want at a reasonable price.

    Reply#3 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:34 PM EST
    evilgenius

    Should we revisit this article when (not if) the Obama Administration does approve the pipeline project with the revised route and it doesn't provide the 10M jobs nor $15T to the economy? I know the Progressives and environmentalists will be pissed, but I'm sure the GoTP will be all ducky.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#4 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:06 PM EST
    Runner99

    Wow, that's a mouthful! So what you are saying is that Obama is going to do an about face on his decision with later, with changes, and it's going to be the wrong decision?

    • 3 votes
    #4.1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:40 PM EST
    evilgenius

    So what you are saying is that Obama is going to do an about face on his decision...

    What "about face" decision are you alluding to? Obama only said to re-apply with a revised route plan. It was reported, on NPR and other sources the very next day, that industry insiders considered the deal would be approved once a new route plan was done. Furthermore the companies were already working on an alternate route, because of NE's legislative block from earlier.

    • 3 votes
    #4.2 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:19 PM EST
    Runner99

    For one, this wasn't presented to him with out several years of research already done. Secondly this nothing more than political posturing for an election year with the help of NE. His Administration thinks he will win votes because he said no. Lastly, the reason he'll consider and probaby approve it "if" he wins the election is because he knows if will be a plus in his Memoirs.

    • 3 votes
    #4.3 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:37 PM EST
    Mary-1324335

    Runner99: What years of research? The governor of Nebraska just signed legislation in November 2011, which funds the EIS on the new proposed route?

    • 3 votes
    #4.4 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:47 PM EST
    Runner99

    So let me ask you this, if this new proposed route is approved, do you support the pipeline?

    • 3 votes
    #4.5 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:01 AM EST
    Mary-1324335

    Yes, I would. While this country needs to catch up with other countries in alternative fuels, we need oil. However, this oil goes on a world market, not directly to the U.S.

      #4.6 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:40 PM EST
      Runner99

      And the oils on the world market get sold directly to the U.S. Isn't that a case for drilling?

      • 1 vote
      #4.7 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:33 PM EST
      Mary-1324335

      I think that we are saying the same thing. I'm just saying that the oil we drill in the U.S. does not go directly to us.

      • 1 vote
      #4.8 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:50 AM EST
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      fernando-2143457

      I bet all the kids who were excited to spray paint the pipeline are very disappointed. President Obama proves he hates taggers (people who spray paint buildings, billboards and such).

        Reply#5 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:46 PM EST
        SuperSaiyan

        The GOP Can Add 10 Million Jobs and $15 Trillion to US Economy without Spending a Dime

        Yeah, and fairies are real...

        No competent economist would even subscribe to this nonsense.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#6 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:27 PM EST
        jmorris

        The GOP Can Add 10 Million Jobs and $15 Trillion to US Economy without Spending a Dime

        Look! - Conservative Math!

        I am surprised that they didn't drag God and Jesus into the argument.

        • 2 votes
        #6.1 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:28 AM EST
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